Jane Macartney in Beijing
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Dozens of Tibetan prisoners were paraded on military trucks in Lhasa yesterday, with their heads bent and wrists handcuffed behind their backs, as soldiers from China’s People’s Liberation Army tightened their grip on the Tibetan capital.
As a midnight deadline approached for rioters to surrender, soldiers carried out house-to-house searches. Some of those suspected of taking part in the mayhem last Friday, when Tibetan anger at Chinese rule erupted into racial hatred with stabbing and beating of ethnic Han Chinese and the burning of shops, banks and businesses, had already been detained.
Four open army trucks carrying about 40 people, mostly young Tibetan men and women, drove in a slow convoy along main roads, witnesses said. Loudspeakers on the trucks broadcast calls to anyone who had taken part in the riots to turn themselves in. Those who gave themselves up might be treated leniently, the rest would face severe punishment, the broadcasts said.
The worst violence for 20 years in the deeply Buddhist Himalayan region has drawn a tough response from the Chinese Government, which is facing embarrassment as the riots threaten to tarnish its image of unity and stability only five months before it plays host to the Olympic Games.
Claims and counterclaims from Chinese officials and Tibetan exiles over the number of casualties and a ban on foreign journalists in Tibet have resulted in much confusion.
Champa Phuntsok, the ethnic Tibetan Governor of the Tibet Autonomous Region, said the demonstrations had left 13 dead and dozens wounded. Unconfirmed reports from Tibetan exile groups put the death toll at 80 — a claim he denied. He said: “This time a tiny handful of separatists and lawless elements engaged in extreme acts with the goal of generating even more publicity to wreck stability during this crucial period of the Olympic Games.”
Speaking in Beijing, where he was attending the annual session of China’s rubber-stamp parliament, the Governor made clear that the response would be severe. “No country would allow those offenders or criminals to escape the arm of justice and China is no exception.”
The search for those involved began in earnest in Lhasa yesterday as office workers trickled back to work after a weekend of fear. Soldiers began house-to-house searches, checking all identification papers, residents said. Anyone unable to show an identity card and a household registration permitting residence in Lhasa was being taken away.
The unrest has spread swiftly into neighbouring provinces in China with a large ethnic Tibetan population. In an extraordinary development late yesterday, nearly 100 students in Beijing staged a daring vigil.
i am 22 yr old tibetan/nepalese livin in australia.. when i was young livin in tibet, it was very nice, beautiful and happy land. my family was not rich, but we were happy and yes.. we were "free". it is so sad to see my home country as it is now.. so much hate and destructun. not like that before..
j. Lhundup, cairns, australia
"A child is taken away by troops in Lhasa, as rioting continued"
Gee, that sure looks like a Chinese kid and policeman running for their lives from the mob in that first picture...
Sean, Cambridge,
To simon gill, nottingham, england!
What I want to say is Free North Ireland!
Guo Jiankun, Beijing, China
If the Dalai Lama really orchestrated everything why is that China has not shown one evidence yet?
Tsenam, New York, New York
Zioma la...if you are free then tell me why China is not allowing any reporter from the outside world to come and see what is going on in Tibet. Why do they have to hide it. My name is Dekyi and I am also born in Tibet. Never in my eyes and heart sees Tibetan People are Free. Tibetan people can not practice own true religious and Can even say freedom. In a country with Freedome. You can speak what ever you want, You can practice what ever religion you want and you can travel anywere in the world and so on on....lots to list down. You are must be a Chinese born Tibetan. You never had experience of Freedome. You have brain washed by your Chinese government thats why you see it free....But Dolma la...wake up and see from outside world to inside china then you can tell the different. By the way your name spells correct is Dolma not Zolma...that is wrong Tibetan.... see you are already changed by chinese....Dolma la....that how you pronounce it.
Dekyi, Lhasa, Tibet
The bulk of Chinese people don't know that they are not free. Tibetan people know the difference ( they were free before China forcefully took over their country) Who can blame them for wanting their freedom back?
serene, Seattle, USA
to: Zioma, Tibet
you are free only to criticize tibet (your own country) . try criticizing China, you will very quickly know how free you are. I pity you.
tashi, new york, USA
"anyone unable to show an identity card and a household registration permitting residence was being taken away" ,that's a shameless LIE!
I am a tibetan student of Tibet Univ. I had never heard of these. BTW,Free Tibet is definitely a joke. I AM FREE!!!
Zioma, Tibet, China
In this case,I believe our government will able to solve this problem properly and make concerted efforts to seek development together.
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Catherine, Shenzhen, CHINA
I find it extremely hypocritical that western politicians and activists are demanding that they gain "full access" to Tibet (i.e. McCain), while publically supporting groups (ie. Dalai's exile regime) who advocate the restriction of non-ethnic Tibetan travel/immigration into Tibet. In other words, "foreigners should have full access to Tibet, but non-ethnic Tibetan citizens of China should not". Whatever happened to the idea of "free & open societies"? Those of you who want an open and free China, why lend support to the advocacy of closed regions determined by race or religion?
Let's judge this situation by those supposedly "superior" western values, Would any human rights organization imagine supporting a group in America if they rioted against Mexican, African, or Arab Americans in an effort to "keep America white"? Why are so many people in the west supporting the advocacy of modern (& now violent) apartheid masked in the name of "racial purity" and "cultural preservation"?
HJ, Portland, OR
The news has a lot of unreal information. I am a common people in China.we know that a few Tibetan men had killed some innocent persons. It is said that a small moiety of were been arrested. Whatever happens, Nobody cannot kill a innocent people by rights.Everyone has rights to survive.
The chinese have given support to our government! the US will bear up that a few people have killed commonalty in the street. just think!
hilary ding, shanghai, China
"Anyone unable to show an identity card and a household registration permitting residence in Lhasa was being taken away. " That's Not true, I tell you.
I am a tibetan student in Tibet Univ. ,and all of my tibetan friends feel shame of the riots. BTW, Free Tibet? That's a JOKE. I AM free, all of my relatives and friends ARE free. I think Dala Lama is tricky, not worth to be trusted.
To all the westens who criticise China Gov this time,welcome here. You'll see a true Tibet but not a Tibet in those exiles' words.
Zioma, Tibet, China
It amazes me how little condemnation in the press or from western leaders about the violent behaviour of the rioters. Clearly there are plenty evidence of that. So why is it so wrong to crack down violence? I don't not remember such wide spread criticism over the US for cracking down the 1992 Los Angeles riot with thousands of troops. Am I the only one who is puzzled by this?
Jie, Surrey,
Allan Chong from Singapore,
Why don't you go and live in China? You will enjoy living under strict Administration and being policed.
We don't want the so called economic reform. We don't want a railway.
We want the freedom to live and think. We want the freedom to build and make our future as we wish not have someone else's ideals shuffed down our throats. Thank you!
Dechen, London, UK
Slight modification to the last sentence of previous comment:
accusations and riots are NOT going to help.
Boycotting? PRC had survived the isolation of both USSR and USA, rest of the world, Civil Wars, and its own Great Leap & Cultural Revolution. It had survived the 89 embargo. What make all of you shouting boycotting think it will affect the Chinese?
Both sides are sorely lacking in understanding each other because both are being influenced by their own propagadas so much that couldn't think straight. Trading barbs, attack what you don't understand, cannot see in another's point of view are all common traits.
Free Tibet? There are appox 2.9m Tibetans in Tibet, and total of less than 5000 are in riots in several provinces. Comparing to the 89 uprising, there are far less Tibetans joining the riots for "Free Tibet". Something had worked for most Tibetans apparently since the last major uprising.
Peter, NYC, USA
Dali Lama has been encouraged by certain authorities in the American Government, to poke China. I hope he does resign for the good of all concerned, he is an old trouble-maker!
Anthony, Wasaga Beach, canada
TO Wang Zi, Hangzhou, People's Republic of China it is quite plain that you have went through the many years of brain washing required to be a good citizen of China. Maybe some day you will start to learn something about the world.
Tibet should be able to decide for themselfs if they want proverty then that what they should have it is not us to say what the should have it is them.
Robert, Midwest City, Oklahoma
Shame on you,Chinese Government!!!Even as a Chinese,I can't bear what the Gov did in Tibet.Shame on your autocracy!!!Shame on your violence!!!You needn't have blocked the Internet,WE HAVE THE RIGHTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!!!
However,I doesn't mean that China should be separate or Tibet should be free.I just expect China to take the rights of humans more serious.
Besides,the Olympics,in my opinion,has nothing to do with politics.It seems silly to boycott a sports game for some political reasons.You shall never forget what sport is.
Raymond, Canton, China
Every country has her own problems! Do you really think that your country is good enough! Don't take this riot for granted~!
Any way , any human being can't be killed as you like ~! Those rebels don't have the right to kill or hurt any one!
chen ken , Chengdu, China
It's not really about Tibet's independence as much it is about the welfare of the Tibetens. Much of Tibet's economy and infrastructure relies on the Chinese Government. Majority of their schools, roads, and hospitals were built by the Chinese government. I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but the pre-Chinese government in Tibet, most notably during the KMT government prior to 1949, the Dalai Lama's government didn't build roads, or schools, or even advance the welfare of their people. If you ask me it's really that Tibet needs China. Ofcourse there are those who oppose that thought, but put this way, if hypothetically Tibet became independent, where would it get food? Where would it get money? Last time I checked the barren ranges of the Himalayas cannot produce corn. What is really unfair is most people in the west criticize China's so-called "Occupation" and "Destruction of Tibet culture" . I would like to remind those, that what did the United States do to Native Americans?
David, Shenzhen, China
You dont need to understand China with any great depth to say that a significant portion of the Tibetan population desire independence or autonomy and thus Chinese lordship of the region is wrong.
Im sick of the world turning a blind eye to the imperialism practised by the worlds biggest communist state. Regardless of the reasonable arguments thrown forwards to substantiate Chinese domination of Tibet, it remains domination over a people who do not want it.
The entire affair throws a stain upon us all which we will only be washed away when Tibet is free.
Alex Griffiths, Aberystwyth, Wales
We should NEVER support China, over their human rights, and the way they treat people, for instance Tibet, give the country back, and boycot the Olympics.
Harry, Twickenham, U.K.
Things to do:
1. Boycott the Olympics in the media - write to media organisatins and tell them that this is what you are doing and why
2. Boycott Olymic related goods, including product tie ins - let the people who produce or sell them know what you are doing and why
3. Write to you MP, tell them what you are doing and why and ask them what they are doing
4. Write to the Chinese Emabassy
5. Anything else?
6. Will it make any difference? Probably not, but that's no reasonto do nothing.
h., Oxford, England
For people who have no idea about Tibetan's history, their culture before the rise of Lamas, the Lama reign, to modern history, please read some info from the following web addresses if you really CARE enough. Otherwise, just believe ANY type of media, including western ones, are always true is just plain ignorant.
http://cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/history.html
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Now after reading throught them (instead of just browsing), anyone still have questions about Lama's rule of Tibet in history is Shangrila-stic? Anyone else have questions about the legitimacy of Chinese in Tibet?
As to the current condition of Tibetans, do you think that if Chinese round them up in reservations are more humane than trying to live side by side with them? Do you think a culture should just remain as it is from dawn of time to end of time without even changing or adapting? Chinese policy needs to change, but accusations and riots are going to help.
Peter, NYC, USA
China has shown remarkable restraint in this carnage by Tibetans; if not thousands would be dead. It is essential that the Chinese authorities arrest and detain any troublemaker breaking the laws and disturbing public order. China must deploy more PLA soldiers to Tibet on a permanent basis because Tibetans have abused their freedom - Tibet need to be strictly administered and policed by China from now on.
Allan Chong, Singapore, Singapore
Come to China ,have a look at China,and you can learn about Chian. I would glad to be your guid and friend.
Many people don't understand China, but write a lot.
Cook, Hami, Xinjiang
Good Job, it is way to crack down those riots; To those Chinese haters, please talk when some criminal burn your home and bussiness... Shut up now..support the Chinese Gov.
John S., New York , US
Why arent the american special interest goups such as CAIR, MECHA and the Black Panthers standing up for individual rights and the right not to be targeted based on religious or national origin. What do you think would happen if ICE, the american immigration police started to round up the 20+ million illegals in this country and started to deport them? where are they in this fight for equality?
Kevin, Tallahassee,
if you look at a map you will see why china want tibet
it allow china to directy threaten india ,nepal and bhutan
also the oil,wood, metal ,hydro power ,food and nuclear dumping
knight, aberdeen, uk
The world will still close their eyes in favor of the glorious gold in the Olympics..... oh and what about Burma? Not in the front pages anymore everything must be rosey.... and Darfur and... ahh I give up...
Ray, Belgium,
The white eropeans should leave the America. America belongs to the native Indians and not the White Europeans - English.
KCC
Pros & cons, Hong Kong, China
The Tibetans killed ordinary chinese people making a living in Tibet - so yes, that should be punished.
Jeff, Manchester,
Maybe Chinese should kill all Tibetants first, then say sorry to them and give them some lands to open their Casino, isn't this perfect to shut everyone up...??
Native Indian, US, US
Since we have little influence on the outcome of the Olympic boycott, one should consider what he/she is buying and stop purchasing any Chinese product.
Matt, London,
Not everyone wants to live in a libral democracy.
Things like freedom of the press and the right to protest are not staples of Chinese culture, most don't care about them, some don't want them.
China has been attacked and enslaved by many countries in history.
We are happy that our government is now strong enough to protect us from enemies, internal and external, who would divide our lands and make us vulnerable again.
Buddhists in Tibet can practice their religion. Their life expectancy has increased, as have their job prospects, average wage and living standards. The political system is more democratic than anything they have ever know in the past.
Tibetan independance would only plunge the region into famine, decay and depression. The only beneficiaries of this feudal, outdated system would be the Dalia Lama and his close aides, meanwhile 'his' people would starve and wish they were back in China.
Wang Zi, Hangzhou, People's Republic of China
Free Tibet. Shame on China. Shame on anyone who particpiates at the Olympics in Beijing.
sam, LAS VEGAS, US
Dear Mr. Yang from Shanghai,
Why do you think the Tibetans in Lhasa attacked "innocent Han Chinese"?
What are all those Han Chinese doing in Tibet's capital city? Why is Lhasa now 35sq.kms Chinese and only 1 sq.km. Tibetan? Why are Tibetans a minority ion their own country? Why was half of Tibet,( the provinces of Amdo and Kham) taken by China in 1951 and made into Qinghai, and parts of Gansu, Yunnan and Sichuan?
In 1951 China imposed the 17-point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of TIbet, and promised freedom of religion as well as political autonomy. China broke every one of the 17 points. The came the Great Leap Forward of 1958-1962 which caused the worst famine in Tibet (and China's ) history. Followed by the Cultural Revolution from 1966 -1976 which completed the destruction of Tibet's cultural institutions.
Now, after nearly 60 years of Chinese colonial occupation, do you think the Tibetans should be happy to have a majority of "innocent" Han Chinese in their country?
Anto, Louisburgh, Ireland
How can the Chinese insult the collective intellience (hell, common sense) of the world by blatantly putting on two faces, one saying, 'yes we are opening up to the media and respect all minorities in the Motherland', and the other saying, 'all foreigners and journalists, get out! You can't be here to witness how we deal with this situation. But rest assured, it will be dealt with fairly and peacfully...'
Glen Royce, Beijing, China
Free Tibet!!! Invate Tibet like we did in Iraq!!!
Free Tibet!!! Let Dalai Lama be the last king of Tibet again as in her history, Tibetian has no freedom and democracy anyway!!! Sorry not to mention the monks have previlege though!!!!
Free Tibet!!! Keep the normal Tibetian the lowest living standard and serve their king Dalai Lama as Dalai/monks are the slave-owner!!!!
Alex, Leeds,
Dear Tom,
People in the US would not be imprisoned or worse for advocating Hawaiian independence. They would be free to argue and vote for it and results would be respected. Not so Tibet!
Phil, Hong Kong,
How many of you have been to China?
Never think that you are superior than others or you live in the paradise while ohters in hell.
All that you have learned about China is the thinking of cold war preached by your government .
If you have a overlook of the human history, you can easily find who is the invder, who has brought critical disasters to hunamn being, who invaded Iraqs with fabrication and who fellow the USA kill these innocent people.
Those count the death toll of their soldiers, but neglect tens of thousands of Iraqis civilians death. Do not say that you do it for others, because you know it better than on body :for yourself.
If China is not stronge as now, it will be another Iraq.
Summer, Nanning, Repubilc of China
Is Dalai's religion fatth for peace?Why he start the turmoil in Lasa ,why the monk kill the innocent people?
Chinese goverment invest so much money to improve the standard of living of Tibetan.We don't want to genocide the Tibetan culture.All the culture in the world are influnced by the other for the economy development,so does the Chinese.
In 1970s' Chinese supported the Vietnamese to fight the American invaders,we give them lots of food ,medicine,weapons.but after Ho Chi Minh was dead Vietnamese used the weapons we given them to defend their own to invade China and kill innocent Chinese.
Some Westerners want to split China.Dalai want to damage Beijing Olympic Games.
That's the truth.
Can you westerners use your brain to think? Is this non-violence or pushing for violence?! Are they monks or mobs?! Whose human rights are threatened and whose properties are destroyed there in Tibet?
David Wang , Shanghai, China
Don't you love it when people say "Tibet belongs to China. It has been part of their territory for hundreds of years."
Fair enough but 'ownership' of the physical land doesn't mean that you have ownership of the people or the culture. Can't the two be mutually exclusive?
Anyway if you're going to use that argument then lets take another look at Israel. The Palestinians have lived there for 2000 years but that didn't do them any good did it.
Adam , Sydney, Australia
Quite simply boycott the Olympics and show support for the oppressed people of Tibet. The whole Olympics deal was a scandal from the start and is just propping up a very nasty regime.
Richard K, Nottingham,
For those who believe Tibet is part of China, it would appear that the Tibetans don't agree with you.
martin, Reading, UK
everytime happens conflict like this,the only reason is for the interest of certain class,they manipulate people and make them victims.Why Tibet need autonomy?They want somecountry's backup to against China. What the benifit for the tibetan people even if they are succeed?There wont be change for ordinary people's life!Shame for those who behind this farce.
mantou, paris, france
The leopard does not change his spots. Boycott the Olympic games in Red China and say no to the Communist dictatorship who are trying to put on a benevolent mask and fool the world. When will the free world awake. Are the moneyed interests of certain governments still more important than freedom and human lives to the point of betrayal to look the other way and send their Olympic teams to Red China?
Boris Dubinin, Bozeman, USA /Montana
To Gary Yang, your paranoia over westen "agression" towards china is unfounded and shows a lack of proper knowlege of your own history. If you go back further than 200 years you will see that the mongols invaded your country too, in fact China has a long history of invasion and uprising, killing of innocents, and your art of war, so please spare me the propagandized moral highgroud argument that the Communist government fed you.
The difference between the british invasion of hong kong, and the cowardly invasion of tibet by the mass murderer Mao, is that british devolloped hong kong in a way that did not trample on its Chinese culture, they still studied chinese in school, wrote in chinese , and were free to express themselves peacefully. What is happening in Xizang on the other hand is nothing short of cultural genocide, where this uprising is a last gasp for the preservation of a beautiful culture, that your own people are too insecure to embrace.
You know nothing of freedom.
Frank Rizzo, Toronto,
To Boris. "Red China" doesn't exist in the communist sense anymore. I've lived here for a while now, and capitalist dictatorship would be a more accurate description. In some ways it works. In others not. It's a developing country, this is what happens. Don't criticise what you clearly have no idea about.
Kevin, Hangzhou, Zhejiang,
So much for the 'peaceful rise' and freedom of speech in china.
Democracy is not about majority rule, it's about minority rights.
If the government can crush their own people (tiananmen massacre), they won't think twice of crushing minority like tibetans.
can a country which has severely restricted news media and history of human rights abuse be a respected country?
stop supporting communist party's atrocities!
wake up, people!
Luna, Singapore, Singapore
!100 percent agree with Dave ,Honkong
****For people who have never been in China, especially in areas where Tibetans live, please do not make any rash accusation on China from an armchair. China nowadays is much improved in many aspects than ten, twenty years ago. Most ethnic minorities are enjoying much better living standards and are happy with what the Beijing government has done for them. I have been working in China for seven years and, like many foreigners who have first-hand experience there, just hope people in Western countries can be more objective when looking at China.
I don't think any government in the West will tolerate the arson, looting, beating up and killing of innocence people by the mobs in Tibet these few days.******
Dave, Hong Kong, China
Yolanda, Nanjing, China
If we give Tibetan a chance to choose to be a country.Why cannot the Americans give the Indians' independence?
Eric, NANNING, GUANGXI
While China's human rights record is nothing to brag about, I think it's unacceptable for Tibetan protesters to burn shops and attack innocent civilians. If this had occurred in any country, undoubtedly, that country will send security forces to maintain order and security.
China built a railroad into Tibet to allow a more efficient means of travel into Tibet, and many chinese tourists and citizens are taking advantage of this new opportunity. Perhaps China could be doing much more to protect the Tibetan culture, but I don't think it's accurate to say that China is deliberately flooding Tibet with China's ethnic majority to destroy the Tibetan culture.
Boycotting the games would not solve any problems and would only create resentment. AlthoughChina is not a democracy, its people are fiercely proud. China has waited decades for an opportunity to host the Games. Negotiation is key. It's unreasonable to expect a Communist country to become a democracy overnight.
Han, Gainesville, Fl
i have been studying here in china .\
one day i debate about democracy with my one chinese friend ."his reply was"we can enjoy everything ,do every thing which is personal ,and i think devloping country like our dont need more democracy.total political democracy should be given after country is totally devloped ".
during this 3 year ,i saw here all are enjoying there personal life freely .and most amazing thing ,here is peace .and country is devloping rapidly all chinese are happy with this .
i travelled many province in china and i enjoy life in road even in midnight everywhere.
why this kind of violoent protest is going on before olympic?it mean it have intention .....bad intention
prem ( from nepal),, shandong, china (studying here)
"Four open army trucks carrying about 40 people, mostly young Tibetan men and women"
This is just a public display of the atrocities by the occupation forces of China on Tibetans.
There are more cruel and savage not publicized suppression of the people. Tibet is the Gulag of China.
Some are supporting these barbaric acts as noticed in the posts here.
Tomorrow, if forces of some other nation does the same in China, is it acceptable?
Tibet was never a part of China and a peaceful nation. To display military might against such a nation and people should not be tolerated.
If we have a world body called UN and it does not intervene in Tibet, then it is no use wasting our tax moneys on it. Is it following the footsteps of League of Nations?
Let us support Tibetans in their hour of need. Our ultimate objective should be freedom for Tibet.
Regards,
Krishna R. Kumar, Udupi, India
Washington, Get out of Irak and Afghanistan, you don't belong there!
Beijing, Get out of Tibet and Xinjiang, You don't belong there!!
Marcel Chretien, Dalian, China
Chinese Goverment just want to protect the unification of the country. It's wrong? If you don't know everything well, please, please don't say any words!!!!China don't like USA or Britain made a lot of excuse for trespassing the Afghanistan, and then the Iraq,Iran. I think most of the American and Britisher don't have the right to criticize other country. Confucius siad:''å·±æä¸æ¬²,å¿æ½äºäºº''. Before you criticice others, find the meaning of the above Chinese first, and then think about yourself !!!!
Chen, Shen Zhen, PRC
"The Communist Party is like the parent to the Tibetan people, and it is always considerate about what the children need," ... "The Central Party Committee is the real Buddha for Tibetans."
Zhang Qingli - Communist Party secretary of the Tibet Autonomous Region
Lao Shi, Beijing,
what I want to say is that "communism is likely to die ".We do not have a good life and education . Many chinese is still hungry and not warm. We need a country like USA of librity and freedom
robin, BEIJING, china
what if the proviences in parts of Canada who speak no English fight to say goodbye to the center government? and still we all remember the reason why American Civil War broke out !
tony, shanghai,
Wow. Where were all the American comments denouncing the barbaric attacks on Palestinian civilians the other week. Correct me if I'm wrong but are they not also a powerless people occupied by a foreign military superpower? Then again the crimes of our enemies are always far worse than our own or those of our friends.
All well and good if you're going to support human rights, but don't pick and choose.
Jonathan, Auckland, New Zealand
How many millions have died at the hands of Mao's cultural revolution? How many Chinese were murdered in Tiananmen Square by its just government. It's time to start talking of an Olympic boycot against the chi-coms.
don, burlington, iowa
Be careful what's the true face of DaLai and his religion practice. Read the following artcles first:
http://www.trimondi.de/EN/interv03.html
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Index.htm
Let's ask these questions before you throw your sympathy to DaLai and his followers.
What's Dailai's view of other religion, race? Is his religion all for peace or just using peace as a cover?
Why DaLai is still praising Hitler?
What kind of influence he received from Nazi teacher Heinrich Harrer when he was young?
What's his relationship with the Japanese terrorist, Shoko Asahara, whose organization carried out the Tokyo sarin gas attack?
What's the secret practice of sex slavery of female follower in the teaching of Tantric Buddhism?
Why there are Tibetan monks receives military trainings and establishment of paramilitary force.
The world is already in trouble in dealing with Islamic extremist. Tantric Buddhism may be the next Taliban!
Tom, Washington DC, United States
I am a Burmese and proud linking our democratic movements to people uprisings in China. Both countries are dominated by Budhist culture and influenced by the west in the past though China is greater courtry. China's notorious 1989 T massacre followed Burma's 08/08/1988 notorious 8888 massacre and both uprisings gave up thousands demostrators, mainly composed of universtiy students. There are still many leaders behind bars in Burma since then and the same story for China, I think. Burma had another nationwide uprising led by Buddhist monks famously known as Sufferon uprising in September 2007 and China has now got another uprsing led byTibatan Buddhist monks and both uprising agian suffered nearly 100 peopled killed and thousands being captured and toutured. Both country regimes are covering their facism up with nationalism and market economy. Anyway we, Burmese in little country never lag behind the freeom and human right movements in our neighboring big China.
zaw zaw, New York, USA
Some years ago, I metioned the Chinese conquest of Tibet and the notion of Tibeten independence to a Chinese colleague. He replied, "Hawaii." Enough said.
Tom , San Francisco, CA, USA
China ruled the Vietnamese for a thousand years. If Vietnam hadn't fought them, hadn't defeated the Mongols, China would still claim a right to it. China invaded Vietnam in 1979 as punishment for defeating Pol Pot. The Chinese aren't innocent when they point to their colonization by the West. People forget history.
Joe, NYC,
Do not hold double standards! Do not tell me that beating people and burning down other people's properties are not criminal acts? No civilization allows killing innocent people regardless of race. Basic law has to be respected. Violence can only bring violence.
yichuan cao, Edmonton , Canada
Taiwan is watching.
brendan , calgary alberta,
Tibetans have been brutally repressed for 50 years. I'm amazed at the patience they've demonstrated. Who wouldn't lash our at their repressors? The Han people were moved into Tibet for the sole purpose of outnumbering the Tibetans, as if Tibet belonged to China. Tibet does not belong to China. Tibet belongs to the Tibetans.
Jan Miller, Minneapolis, MN 55404, USA
i am amazed that people read about one news and feel they know about the whole story. 4 million iraqs are displaced since the west invasion, and we have people finger pointing china for its internal affairs.
sha, san jose,
US British GET OUT OF Iraq~! GET OUT OF Africa~!
Dorje, Lhasa,
What amazing happen in PRC,as a Chinese,i find west people know the event much more than me! may be somthing just from their imageing.
Rock.niu, Guangzhou, China
We all remember still Tianmen square in 1989, and we all still remembered we cried for armless students died for wishing the better of their country. Even though histroy may better judge whether students' action are for better or worst of Chinese people, there is no excuse that a government treat their own people with tank and guns.
Today, we all witnessed China' tremendous economic advance, we all see poor Chinese people have better life, and chinese government is trying hard to do better job improving people's living standards. No doubt, people have much more freedom. We wish the best for Chinese people, we wish as the government also recognized, people's living condition in poor province can be improved. I believe government is on track doing that. We can't allow this kind of turmoil turn back China's progress. Poor Chinese people, open your eyes, what you can do so the country can be stronger and people can have better life.
Jane, Los Angele, USA, CA
Tibet belongs to China. Tibet was in China's territory hundreds of years ago. The minorities actually have
more benifits from the government. they may be poorer.
it is because they pray all day and do nothing else.
CARY, SAN MATEO, CA.USA
History of Tibet is not entirely pleasant, including one faction of buddhists suppressing another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet gives some of history including how China claims their rule is supposedly better for the majority than the arrangement of 40 ish years where Tibet was independant.
David, Edmonton, Canada
! It's none of your foreigner's business.Of course Tibet is a part of China,just like Taiwan .How could you know the truth even you are not on the scene?You western medias are always demonizing China because you don't want us to become powerful.But it's not up to you.Our country is developed so fast and so well right now.On the other hand,
we know we have a lot of problems with humanity,medical,education,but our government and people
are doing our best to improve those situation.The Tibet issue
and Taiwan issue are none of your business.Just take care of your campus gunshot event or your soldiers in iraq.Look at whtat you did in the Arabic countries.You western countries are always intervene affairs of other countries' .
Yolanda, Shanghai, China
The story was Illustrated with a picture of 14 accussed "with their heads bent and wrists handcuffed behind their backs.."
Chilling.
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Do you feel chilling when those terrorists killed other people?
Why you only see one side of the story? They will not be arrested if they didn't burn the shops, sacked the pedestrians. Every country has law. Dalai Lama always said peaceful, is it a peaceful demonstration???
Frank, Chicago, US/IL
David,
Why they have to eat same thing to be in one country? Why they have speak same lanuage to be in one country? How about seperate US into different countries because they are Polish, Irish, Swedish or Latino?
These are totally irrelevant.
Frank, Chicago, US/IL
Will this incident seriously harm British and US relations with China?
I thought not.
(((((tibet)))))))
rach, reading,
To all the morally bankrupt Yanks who've posted here.
Isn't there a place in Cuba that detains people without charge for years. That tortures them and deprives them of their basic human rights?
What's that country called that you invaded in order to steal its oil and how many hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered because of the (twice) elected American government?
How many illegal, secret torture chambers/prisons do the CIA operate around the world?
I suppose 'Free Tibet' looks better on a t-shirt.
Richard, Xi'an,
The leopard does not change his spots. Boycott the Olympic games in Red China and say no to the Communist dictatorship who are trying to put on a benevolent mask and fool the world. When will the free world awake. Are the moneyed interests of certain governments still more important than freedom and human lives to the point of betrayal to look the other way and send their Olympic teams to Red China?
Boris Dubinin, Bozeman, USA /Montana
What a joke! People criticizing China for restoring order and stopping racial violence? Some people obviously has an ax to grind against China. And it's not like Britain and USA have act any differently under similar circumstances in Iraq. Who is taking responsibility for the tens of thousands of lives lost in the secular violence caused by the British and American invasion?
alex, Chicago, USA
For most of the 20th century, formerly occupied countries and regions throughout the world have attained freedom and self determination. Unfortunately, as a minority of the Chinese people benefit from the advances derived from Western investments and Chinese world influence, minorities such as the Tibetans in formerly independent areas have suffered archaic repression and violence. Why not recognize the Tibetans by allowing them an Olympic team?
Lee, New York, USA
Im a British guy living in China and im appaled by the pathetic comments here.
I cannot access the guardian, the Daily Mail, Youtube, BBC (always has been banned), how can anyone trust the Chinese when they dont allow access?
All we have is CCTV9, Xinhua news agency, 2 of the biggest jokes in the world of media.
Everyday on chinese TV we are subjected to the same garbage, shows about the Japanese kiling Chinese in the 1930's constantly day in day out.
Many people like Yang, (the previous comment) assume the Tibetans are money worshippers like the Chinese. They are not. They worship Buddhism. The governmnet has controlled their religion, made it difficult for them to work, and destroyed the environmnent.
How would Chinese people like it if we took away their rights to own property, their right to gamble, things they hold so dear?
And another thing, Tibet is not like China. They dont eat rice, and they dont speak chinese amongst other things.
David Thompson, Sheffield, UK
In response to previous comments it is implausible to liken China's stance on TIbet with the UK and it's constituent countries, the EU or the US. In none of these places are the people oppressed by foreign soldiers using lethal force. For those that would argue China has introduced increased economic progress, the question must be posed: at what cost to the spiritual and cultural identity of Tibet can this be justified? Doesnât this qualify it is a global issue, or indeed an issue for all humanity? If global leaders are unwilling to address humanitarian concerns over civil liberties of their own, how can we expect those countries in areas of conflict to follow a more moral course of action.
N, Singapore,
Exactly what has China done in this latest incident to warrant this outcry?
As far as we know for sure China stopped a demonstration of monks with confirmed reports of isolated scuffles, but no large scale violence. This was followed by rioting by Tibetans aimed at Han Chinese and Hui Muslims, (the latter who are themselves a minority in China) including attacks with knives and stones. China then used their paramilitary polic, not the army to put down the riots.
So far the only confirmed deaths were a handful during the riots. Free Tibet groups and the Dalai lama claim 80 people killed (though only allude to it being by the security forces), the CCP denies it. Neither are an impartial source, though the Dalai Lama smiles a lot so is apparantly a better source.
Granted there has been a media blackout and when the dust settles we may learn of atrocities, but from the facts available to us this reaction is completely overblown.
Chris, Shanghai,
Rough Justice
"There is certainly a paddy-wagon load of room for improvement in the American justice system. But for those fed up with oily lawyers or soft-headed judges, here is a sobering whiff of something much worse: In China, where crmie has been soaring by double digits for years, authorities have unleashed a new program called Strike Hard, which includes public roundups of alleged lawbreakers like these. Innocent until proven guilty? Not on your life. The right to remain silent? Denied. In Chinese courts, coerced "confessions" are frequently admissible. Strike Hard has led to hundreds of executions since April, including many for theft. America's justice system may have its faults, but on the other side of the world more than a billion people have nothing but hte heavy hand of legal tyranny."
Life Magazine (pages 14-15)
August, 1996
The story was Illustrated with a picture of 14 accussed "with their heads bent and wrists handcuffed behind their backs.."
Chilling.
Scott, Durham, NC, USA
From the utter degradation to the environment, to the application of political prisoners as slave labor, from using Falaun Gong members for biological experiments to the brutal repression of Tibet, the PRC is an authoritarian, tyrannical regime. Western countries should sever commerce ties with all "Party affiliated" businesses in China and western intelligence agencies should engage within China a large freedom initiative not unlike the soviet-bloc style campaigns of the 1980's.
John, Great Falls, USA Montana
What is more surprising than Chinese inhuman act in Tibet is ignorance of Chinese and pro-Chinese on Tibet issue in this century! My fellow Chinese, wake up from Communist regime endroctination, open your eyes and ears!!! I truly sympathize for their complete ignorant and distorted knowledge on Tibet issue!!!
Vijay, chicago, US
give it a break, the boycott will not happen. athletes and their organizers have no interest in anything other than their own.
J. Harris, Miss., Canada
Sound similar?
Hitler removed signs stating "Jews not wanted" and similar slogans from main tourist attractions. Hitler wanted to clean up Berlin, the German Ministry of Interior authorized the chief of Berlin Police to arrest all gypsies and keep them in a special camp. Nazi officials ordered that foreign visitors should not be subjected to the criminal strictures of anti-homosexual laws.
Jing Wen, New York,
For people who have never been in China, especially in areas where Tibetans live, please do not make any rash accusation on China from an armchair. China nowadays is much improved in many aspects than ten, twenty years ago. Most ethnic minorities are enjoying much better living standards and are happy with what the Beijing government has done for them. I have been working in China for seven years and, like many foreigners who have first-hand experience there, just hope people in Western countries can be more objective when looking at China.
I don't think any government in the West will tolerate the arson, looting, beating up and killing of innocence people by the mobs in Tibet these few days.
Dave, Hong Kong, China
"Tibetan anger at Chinese rule erupted into racial hatred with stabbing and beating of ethnic Han Chinese and the burning of shops, banks and businesses". Peaceful?Seems not. Who care about the innocent lives of those ethnic Han Chinese? Do they deserve to be burnt or stabbed?
China is a country bullied by the West for two hundred yrs, invaded by British and French troops in 1840, by the 8 Alliances in 1900, and the Japs in 1937. Millions of people killed or died of hunger in war times. Did the West care about that? Any way, the communist party made the country strong, and democracy in under way.
Learn sth about the history before pointing at others. Dont think the Chinese know nothing about freedom or democracy. It's the Chinese who knows best about how to make China better.
Gary Yang, Beijing,
Doesn't we as Americans also supress many of the natives here in our own homeland, why can't the native Americans or any other minorities in the U.S. get their independence if we wouldve support the Tibetan idenpendence movements. In terms of cultural genocide, I dont believe Americans does it any better than the communist Chinese...
Alexander, santa barbara, U.S.A/CA
Chinese have no business in Tibet. Leave Tibet to the Tibetans. If push comes to shove, even the most peaceful people have no choice other than to fight back. I do not believe in violence but if somebody takes away my home and attack me and my family and my culture, i have not other choice than to fight back even at the cost of my life.
If China wants peace and stability than get their act together. T
sonam zoksang, kingston, new york, usa
Couldn't agree more. I already boycott Chinese products becuase i do not like doing business with communist authroitarians. Tibet is but one glaring example of why we should tunr our back on the CCP and boycott China and its products.
KMTW, Los Angeles, USA
Tibetans are not Chinese. China invaded Tibet in 1949 and is an occupier of that land. Tibetans have every right to resist the Chinese occupation. Western powers are hypocritical in championing freedom of the oppressed and in not protesting the highhandedness of the Chinese occupiers. Is it asking too much that Britain should take the lead in convening the UN Security Council and denouncing the atrocities being committed by the Chinese armed forces against unarmed civilians? Do it now.
Ananda, Washington, DC, USA
Maybe the tibetan protests were not peaceful but could you really expect anything else after nearly 50 years of repression and abuse by the Communist Party and China? Really, it is a testament to the peacefulness of Buddhism that they have not taken to arms before. I would have run out of patience and turned violent after just a few months.
Also, in this day and age, you cannot compare the actions of those who lived before with today. Today, we recognise that genocide and invading other countries merely for personal gain is wrong. China should respect that Tibetans do not want them there and get out.
Morris, Shanghai,
......PULL the Olympic games out of China. The Taxis and Vendors are already trying to rip off shoppers without guilt. The atheletes won't be able to breathe it's soooo polluted.
The world does not know what's in store for them when they merge enmasse in Beijing!
moemana, san Jose, ca
Double standards.
The West liberated Kuwait when Iraq invaded.
Why is nothing being done to liberate Tibet? It is clearly an individual state that has been occupied by an aggressor.
Okay, China took over a long time ago, but the problem still exists.
WS, Manchester,
Our politicians are cowards. We talk about freedom, while buddhist monks from Myanmar to Tibet are being rounded up, beaten and murdered. Who cares about Buddhists, they have no oil and control no armies, right? The Olympics has nothing to do with sports or brotherhood, and everything to do with money and profit. The Chinese are using the games like Hitler did, to showcase their "superior" culture. Vote with your remote. Refuse to watch. Change the channel. Support Taiwan and the other free Chinese, and stand up for human rights. Until China's dictatorship is gone, I will lift my voice in dissent.
Wilbur Varela, los Angeles, california, usa
Shame on you China. The US and EU should boycott the games for sure and let the other countries follow their own conscience. I would love to hear the comments of the Indian Government on recent happenings in Tibet. After all it is in India where the Dalai Lama and his government in exile have been living since the Chinese took over.Does India still support their cause ?
MOHAN, LONDON, U.K.
We should not boycott the Beijing Olympics. If we do so we will invalidate years of work by the Chinese government and people. It will allow the government to whip up hostility against the boycotting nations and it will not stop the problems in Tibet
Andre, Machias, USA
To China---get out of Tibetan land, you big bully!
Aida Barnes, elk gove, ca
I live in China and as a westerner find that it is remarkably peaceful and well ordered. Crime is extremely low, people are friendly and jobs are everywhere. People work hard, study hard and play hard. Unless you have actually traveled to Tibet, unless you have actually traveled to China, I recommend that you clean up your own mess.
Tom Hanley, miami, florida
Yes, we should boycott the Olympics. I'm disgusted that the"spread democracy" Bush administration has remained silent on Tibet.
I guess they're too busy figuring out ways to attack Iran and elect McCain.
Randy, Shiloh GA, USA
While I don't condone violence, I understand how the Tibetan people could have become violent. The Chinese gov'ts program of shipping Han Chinese into Tibet, along with destroying and restricting Buddhism in Tibet, has built up a simmering discontent in Tibet. We have seen the end result of that in violence this week... none the less, the Chinese people killed were not at fault, the Chinese govt was.
We can't believe anything the Chinese govt says as they constantly wage a war of misinformation..
Whitney, Alexander City, USA
I feel that greater scrutiny should be placed on those "western" companies doing business unethically with China. As a Canadian, I am ashamed that the very railroad that is expediting the genocidal influx of Han into Tibet, was built by a Canadian company. All to line some people's pockets. It's immoral and these companies should be called to account. Publicly. They are getting off far too easy, slinking around in the shadows, while the tears and blood flow.
Sandra, Ontario, Canada
The stories will be different if something similar happened in US or Canada.
Henry, Beijing,
The Dalai is worried about "cultural genocide", he should be. If he eventually returns to Tibet, (or in his next reincarnation), he will be horrified to see McDonalds, KFCs and Starbucks sprouting like mushrooms.
As for the boycott fraternity, I guess they are just trying to improve their chances of getting tickets.
John Maynard, Cranbrook, UK
This is china's thing,anyone no right to intervene.
wu, xuzhou, jiangsu
Tibet is part of China just as Wales & Scotland are part of the UK. Tibet has advanced a lot since China had extended direct rule. Some people are saying Chinese should get out of Tibet. If we extend this argument around the world, people of European descent should get out of North America including Canada and USA so the Native Canadians/Americans can regain their territories. Likewise Australia and NZ.
Yang, Shanghai, China
Shame on the US Government for not intervening and taking a stand on Human Rights! Free Tibet.
freckles, Page, AZ
China will murder them claiming they were political prisoners. Mark my works, China will kill them
Jane, Eastern,
In respect to the Olympics toronto Canada should have been awarded the games, however the deciscion for china was based on opening up china to a market on another level.
Still even if they are doing well economically the principals of IOC were undermined by that decision. Chinas treatment of political activists and oppressive nature should have been a clear sign not to give China the Olympics; if memebers of the IOC had an stones they would cancel the Olympics and acknowledge their mistake. No one ca embarrass China except China, their policies need to change.
Dave, Los Angeles, California
Listen people wake up! International Community wake up! Europe, America wake up! China has a goal of world domination of communist ideology...no matter how long it takes...including yes all of Asia, Europe, and America. Tibet is only the tip of the iceberg as to their plans. The free world must stand up to this menace before it grows more powerful. The poor people of Tibet are suffering, being beaten and killed as we speak. Millions were killed when China took over brutally and their beautiful culture is being erased. The beautiful people there are entitled to have freedom just like any of us who live in free democratic countries. Evil prevails when good people do nothing. Stand up now and support the freedom of these poor, oppressed Tibetans. Stand up to this evil before ultimately it may be too late. Demand action from your leaders!
Help save the men, women, and children there that are being beaten and murdered there! This is completely unacceptable! Free Tibet Now!
Constance, Alberta, Canada
China must allow foreign medias to Tibet if they're not afraid of showing the truth. There are also news more then 800 killed since march 10 via phone. World, Rise up and support us. Free Tibet
Tenzin , Burlington, VT, usa
Time to boycott the Olympics! BOYCOTT! China is controlled by a criminal government and we need to stand up to it in ways that matter.
If you athletes have any guts, you won't be going to China to collect your silly medals while Tibet burns.
Amit Sharma, London, UK
Listen people wake up! International Community wake up! Europe, America wake up! China has a goal of world domination of communist ideology...no matter how long it takes...including yes all of Asia, Europe, and America. Tibet is only the tip of the iceberg as to their plans. The free world must stand up to this menace before it grows more powerful. The poor people of Tibet are suffering, being beaten and killed as we speak. Millions were killed when China took over brutally and their beautiful culture is being erased. The beautiful people there are entitled to have freedom just like any of us who live in free democratic countries.
Evil prevails when good people do nothing. Stand up now and support the freedom of these poor, oppressed Tibetans. Stand up to this evil before ultimately it may be too late. Demand action from your leaders!
Help save the men, women, and children there that are being beaten and murdered there! This is completely unacceptable!
Free Tibet Now !!
Constance, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Its time for the IOC to take a stand, have some guts and stop the 2008 Beijing Olympics games. What's happening in Tibet is an outrage and reflects what else goes on and unreported in the rest of China
paul best, hong kong,
- China has NO BUSINESS in Tibet!!
Check the history first. How about the western's business with Africa, American Indian? and then check the relation between Tibet and China...
Jack Ma, Shanghai, China
The Chinese may just have stirred up a hornets' nest in Tibet. They have long lines of communications that are open to attack.
The chinese may just be at the start of a long ,hard guerrilla war.
Davidka. East Yorkshire
W D Toulman, |Walkington East Yorkshire, UK
Please note the Tibetan protests were not peaceful at all. If you study the video and news reports from CNN, BBC, et al, you can see for yourself that those Tibetan so-called protestors were being violent in beating, chasing, burning and even killing Chinese folks in Lhasa on Friday. They were the ones who were violent. The Tibetan authorities in conjunction with the Chinese govt have the right to restore law and order.
For those who ride on their high horses, I've one simple request: Would the people of European descent in US, Canada, OZ, NZ, Israel plz go back to their places of origin, i.e. Europe and give up their lands acquired through violence, suppression and oppression of the locals such as Native Americans, Native Canadians, aborigines, maoris, Palestinians respectively? And could the last person please turn off the lights when they leave since the locals have other eco-friendly energy resources?
Yang, Shanghai, China
One World, One Dream.... under the muzzle of a gun....
Free tibet!!!!
Yifei Sun, Chongqing, China
I do agree that a world wide protest ought to be given in the form of boycotting the games. However, I do also feel that the West has to understand that it cannot leap into action everytime something happens anywhere in the world. We have no right to enforce our ideals on the rest of the world and while the situation is shocking we are not the guardians of these people. Nor is it our governements right to dictate how other countries handle domestic issues. A boycott is quite the right course of action.
Kat, Edinburgh, UK
Dear Tibetans,
Even if we could have an independent Tibet before April, your country will be occupied by the Americans and their allies(may include the Chinese) before 2030.
It can be earlier if they could find oil somewhere in Tibet.
Best wishes
David, Wilmslow, UK
The corrupt, totalitarian government of China should be an international pariah, but instead we worship at the altar of its economic power. The corporations love its markets and its cheap labor, and so they remain untouchable.
How similarly the world treats the administration of G. W. Bush which shows it is only slightly less willing to lie to its own people and use "law and order" as an excuse to spy on and confine its internal enemies (see "Don Siegelman").
Make the world a little better. Stop buying Chinese goods and impeach Bush and Cheney.
William, Asheville, NC, USA
how could everyone here ignore the fact that those cruel Tibetans burned several ethnic Han Chinese to death?
Torry, Fife,
FREE TIBET!!!
Jeff, Manchester,
Every country has its internal problems which must be solved by itself. Anyone thinking otherwise is saying you can come to my home and order me what to do.
The Los Angeles riot and Miami riot of the past were similar incidents. Were the military involved? Of course they were? Did anyone try to tell the Americans that they should not control the mob? I doubt very much.
All people holding double standards should think twice before opening their mouths. I bet you most people donât know anything about Tibet let alone to give any opinion.
People talking tough about wagering a war against China because of Tibet make no sense. Even for a small war against the Iraqis, the Americans were already brought to their knees. Just imagine a war with China! If you havenât seen the negative effects brought about by the Iraqi war, then you are totally blind. Everyone suffered because of this war....we are all paying for it in terms of high inflation and higher transportation costs in particular.
Wayne, Florida, USA
How can we engage in business with a country like this? They show obvious disregard for the basic liberties that we have built our society on. Remember these instances the next time you hear of Google, Yahoo and Microsoft working on their so-called partnerships.
Bill, Virginia,
How can any athlete go to Beijing. Please don't.
chriski, london, UK
I really liked the comment that the Chinese people have given a resounding no! to Tibetan independence. Of course they would. The English gave a resounding no to American Independence. The Turks gave a resounding no to Greek independence. Marie Antoinette said a resounding no to the french people. Hitler said a resounding no to anyone that dared confront him. The list goes on and on. Anyone who claims that the fact that an oppressor doesn't want to stop oppressing gives validity to continue oppressing must be slightly out of touch, to put it mildly. The question is not whether the Chinese say no, the question is whether the Tibetans are an actual race that are entitled to their own state. Let's be serious if Kosovo deserves independence then Tibet does. But I honestly don't think much will come of this, the Chinese will quash the revolution in no uncertain terms and the Olympics will go on because the bottom line is money and profit, ultimately who cares about a few monks.
John Morgan, MILTON KEYNES, UK
Too bad they have no oil
Bill, Farmington,
Please support the Tibetan cause. Thank you.
Tenzin Chime.
Tenzin Chime, London, UK
Time to boycott Chinese Olympics have come. China has clearly demonstrated that she is not fit to host the Olympics. China must learn to abide by the norms of the International community if she wants to be treated as a member.
My heart goes out to thousands of Tibetans detained. Their fate is grim.
Gyame Kyakpa So, Nyawa,
West intends to use similar tactics against China like boycotting Moscow Olympics in 1980.
But wait! Who are invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan now?
Grigoriy, Moscow, Russia
Free Tibet. Shame on China. Shame on anyone who particpiates at the Olympics in Beijing.
somchai, bangkok, thailand
Why u people are so interested in certain 'independence' case??? Back off !
Daisy, London,
One guy called on the US to intervene in Tibet. (funny...he was German)
So we can save their people and then be berated by the world as cruel and warmongering people the instant the country is liberated.
I hope we never help anyone again and see the entire world end up like Tibet under China, and Afghanistan under the Taliban, and Iraq under Saddam, and Europe under Hitler, and The Balkans with Milosavich, and the Sudan right now, and so on and so on.
You cry for our help and give us grief when things aren't perfect. DO IT YOURSELF THEN!
jd, Florida, USA
BOYCOTT THE Chinse Olympic Charade!
Randy, Houston, TX
I fear for Tibetans in Lhasa and the surrounding regions where protests took place. There is a media blackout and the rest of the world will never know what is really going on. Over the coming weeks and months thousands will be arrested, detained, tortured and executed. This is how the Chinese govt. has worked for years in Tibet. Xinhua is already at work spinning its propaganda machine, blaming the Dalai Lama and so on. While on the surface China may look like it has changed, it's policies of control in Tibet has always remained the same. There is nothing more the Chinese would desire than to wipe out the Tibetan population in Tibet and replace them with Han. The protests may be the last call of a dying and desperate people that are witnessing the gradual replacement of their culture and traditions. The time for Tibet is now and we in the West should stand up make our voices heard over the inflow of cheap chinese goods.
j. stuart, dunedin, otago
Poor Tibetans! They do not have oil. If only they had, surely powers that be would have taken on China even if China threatens to stop all manufacturing - a few hundreds of billions of dollars to the organisations that invested there. Peaceful Tibetans! The Tibet-China fracas does not deem the attention the Middle East gets. They are battered down in their own land. India is threatened by China if the peaceful protests continue - wonder if the world knows that half of the world's Tibetans live in India.
Maybe following Mahatma Gandhi's footsteps will still get them their Independence one day............Wistful!
Jagadish, London, UK
China's strategy:
1. Political and arms support to Islamic terrorists.
2. Terrorize countries that do not fall in line - until they do - example
Russia (Chechnya, Beslan]) - and now Russia does China's bidding
Thailand (out of the Blue Muslim attacks), new Pro China ruler and attacks have disappeared
China cannot be stopped.
China will rule.
Chav, San Francisco, CA
As Tibetans suffer, disgusted to see you top your front news with Beatles Paul's divorce settlement!
andy, london,
Maybe the world community should boycott the China Olympics between their political & environmental disregard along with system of boot camp training their youth for the Olympics.
David M, Blaine , MN
All those crying "boycott this", "boycott that" just make me laugh. No need to shout through the roof, just do it. The sooner you come to an official decision, the sooner you run out of your last bargin chip.
If you think a bunch of celebrities and a couple of lies from BBC and CNN can change the course of history, you know nothing about China and the Chinese people
Have a review of what happend after 1989, did China give in to VOA or threats of boycott? Today, you have even fewer trump cards in hand as the majority of Chinese people have said NO to "Tibetan Independence" resoundingly. On this issue, the communist party is just handed another golden lifeboat by the West, well done!
John Jiang, London,
China should leave Tibet. Tibet belong to Tibetan and not Chinese.
Munna, London, uk.
In essence, Beijing claims that the root of the violence is with the Dalai Lama, known for his peace and nonviolence. They expect the rest of the world to believe this?
The whole incident is striking for its similiarity to Algeria. If the Tibetians persist, how far will China do? Unlike France, China is a Single-Party republic. Public opinion of its own citizens don't deter the government from courses of action.
As with Algeria's revolution, foreign media are now (understandably) sympathetic with the Tibetians, almost entirely because of the oppresive response from the occupying power. The French crushed the revolutionaries, but lost the region anyways when they couldn't stomache the wholescale bloodshed that would have been necessary for maintaining the region with the subsequent protests.
Will there be another Tiananmen Square Massacre? Will 1 billion Chinese be left ignorant once again of the event, wondering why foreigners pay such attention to a "minor incident"?
Jeffrey Lam, Toronto, Canada
We must insist that those people arrested have fair trials.
i dont agree wiht violent protests but i cant see the monks being violent and maybe people were trying to protect them and their values.
our politicians should argue for justice in the run up to the Olympics.
Communism is no excuse for religious persecution. our representatives should stop furnishing and re-fitting their second homes and start asking serious questions about democracy in China.
Ve Davies, Exeter,
It is difficult to believe that this sort of blatant disregard for basic human rights, still goes on in the 21st century........free Tibet!
D. Scott King, decatur, Alabama
The United States and other countries should seriously consider boycotting these Olympics if this behavior continues.
Rick J, New York, NY, USA
As a common man living in a different part of the world, I shall show my support to the peaceful creed of monks by wearing a white cloth around my shoulder, neck, arm or wrist.
I understand that any country would be relectant to intervene China's actions, specially the big ones like US and UK, as they are going through Election-build-ups, Economical instabilities and China's dominance in the global market.
Bycotting the Olympics would not solve the issue nor would it be fair for the Atheletes who are no less devotional (to their sport) than the monks, but these atheletes can be the loud speakers on the the podium of olympics. They can speak in the media for the tibetians while recieving their Medals.
Can we be part of this, can we show our support by wearing white? A bullet can not be stronger than man's will and thought.
Tarunark, Wokingham, UK
Free Tibet !!! I'm ready to go there and fight for tibetans for their freedom.
Slav, Doncaster, UK
Enough is surely enough. A worlwide boycott of the Beijing Olympics is long overdue.
George, London,
To the person who said the Western powers cannot take on China militarily..I have to disagree. Alot has changed since 1952. China cannot win a war with the US/NATO if it is fought with technology. Unlike the insurgency in Iraq and Afganistan, this would be a symeterical (i.e conventional) conflict. China's military may have the numbers, but lack the advances in communication and air-superiority like the US does. And besides, the policial and economic fallout China would face would be insurmountable. China is not as dangerous when you look at the facts.
Tony, Yonkers, NY, USA/ New York
China is very dangerous and we cant continue to trust them.
John , Florida, USA
China is a brutal country that has no respect for laws, humanity, or differing cultures. The Dalai Lama is correct in that Tibet, where I have been, is losing its soul: the Han Chinese have pushed their people everywhere, and now, in markets, there are few actual tibetans, it is mostly Han chinese selling so-called "tibetan" handicrafts (actually mass-produced in eastern chinese factories).
Frank Onmbert, Portland, Oregon, USA
We really ought to be considering a boycott of the Chinese Olympics.
Karl, Hertford, England
Is it worth the trouble China? What is there to gain?
Ned, Salem, Oregon Trail
I would strongly dispute the assertiion that ethnic Tibetans are attacking ethnic Han Chinese and ethnic Hui Muslims.
China has NO BUSINESS in Tibet!! Boycott Beijing '08!
Beijing '08 = Berlin '36
Alec, Austin, TX
Obviously the Western powers cannot take on China militarily - that would be senseless, but caring people can demonstrate their disquiet with the way China handles its business by boycotting them economically. I think it is time for all of us to bring to the attention of the world just how much China is being allowed to get away with atrocious behaviour. We as consumers have come to depend on the cheap products with which they flood our markets. Isn't it time that as a human race we place the well being of our fellow humans above material comfort? Should not all those companies greedily queueing up to plunder even greater profits from the Beijing Olympics, stand back and ask some searching questions about the total disregard for human rights that China seems to proudly parade in front of us. OK, we're no angels in the West and have done our fair share of international plunder. Does that mean we now stand back and allow China to do the same because of our guilt? Please think about it.
Nick, Hebden Bridge, Yorkshire
Obviously the Western powers cannot take on China militarily - that would be senseless, but caring people can demonstrate their disquiet with the way China handles its business by boycotting them economically. I think it is time for all of us to bring to the attention of the world just how much China is being allowed to get away with atrocious behaviour. We as consumers have come to depend on the cheap products with which they flood our markets. Isn't it time that as a human race we place the well being of our fellow humans above material comfort? Should not all those companies greedily queueing up to plunder even greater profits from the Beijing Olympics, stand back and ask some searching questions about the total disregard for human rights that China seems to proudly parade in front of us. OK, we're no angels in the West and have done our fair share of international plunder. Does that mean we now stand back and allow China to do the same because of our guilt? Please think about it.
Nick Payne, Hebden Bridge, Yorkshire
Dear Friends: Look in the mirrors and see for yourself before you point your figures at others. Yes, the Chinese has a different language with the Tibetans--How about the Indians in Canada?, America? the tribes folks in others countries and the Indians in America? Are they better off? Have you compared the Tibetans before the Chinese took over and after? Their lives now and then? What have the monks do? You really believe that Dalai Lama is the LIVING God? Give me a break.
All the Europeans should get out of America and go back to where they come from right? Come on, you don't mean that do you.
We folks are so self-centered that we think we are always holier than others. Well, may be not if you think carefully.
George in the Bay area
George, Santa clara, Ca.
Just like Tiananmen. The Chinese Gov't = A world class Fink squad. Why all the companies do business and we buy so much from them when friendly nations (Taiwan? Hello!) can make it too is beyond me!
David Powell, Ocean City, New Jersey, U.S.A.
How sad that with this brutal crackdown taking place, countries will still participate in the PRC's Olympics as if nothing has happened.
Please throw the dumb Free Tibet bumper sticker mentality in the garbage, the only thing the PRC will understand is a boycott of their Olympics and of their second rate toxic exports.
Alan, San Diego, CA, USA
Why are the Chinese there anyway? A country with a different language, culture and religion. A country that was never part of China. What are they doing there? Spreading the Communist Workers' Paradise?
They never should have agreed to hold the Olympics in a country that sells internal organs of opprosed groups, like the Falun Gung, who just want to stretch and meditate, they exist peacefully in over a dozen countries around the world.
Mike, Ottawa,
Whilst China won't permit independent observers (press) to see what is happening, very few people will believe what they claim.
JohnQ, Sydney, Australia
free kurdistan now!
Theo, York, England
The olympics should be used as leverage to make china see sense on the tibet issue. It amazes me this id allowed to happen.
Will, Exeter, Devon
"anyone unable to show an identity card and a household registration permitting residence was being taken away"
Is that really happening in England?????
Clark, Topeka, KS, USA
Any athlete that has a conscience would give the Chinese Olympics a big miss in protest at the atrocities committed by the Chinese government.
The companies that seem eager to rush to China as the next big market and as a low cost pr