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PayPal, the payment service used by 20 million online shoppers in Britain, has given in to consumer demands to offer full refunds to buyers defrauded on eBay.
Previously, anyone using PayPal to buy items such as a laptop or furniture risked losing hundreds of pounds on something that might not work or even arrive.
Consumers who buy an item worth more than £150 using PayPal on eBay will now have protection.
The decision to remove the present limits comes after years of pressure from PayPal users, who make up more than half of all UK eBay members. They felt that the previous limits were unfair and made eBay shopping less safe than buying on the high street.
Thousands of comments left on websites such as paypalsucks.com and paypalwarning.com detail dissatisfaction with PayPal’s dispute resolution service.
PayPal said that since 2002, when it was bought by eBay, it had received a substantial number of complaints from buyers about the old protection levels.
Its old buyer protection scheme was limited to £500 per purchase if the seller had 98 per cent or more “positive feedback”, falling to a maximum of £150 if the seller had a lower score, leaving anyone who bought anything above those limits unable to obtain a full refund.
A spokesman for Paypal said: “It’s something we’ve been considering for a little while, given feedback from buyers and sellers who told us they wanted better protection for when things go wrong.
“They also told us that the current arrangements are rather complicated — such as only applying the current higher cover limit [of £500] for purchases from the eBay sellers with the best feedback.
“Obviously there are still some conditions, but these are much easier to follow.”
Consumer groups said that the new protection limits, which will also give sellers unlimited protection from buyers who do not pay up, still do not go far enough.
The new protection does not cover “intangible goods” such as airline tickets, or motor vehicles, nor does it offer protection for users who have had their PayPal accounts hacked into and cleaned out by fraudulent buyers.
Buyers using PayPal to fund purchases from other online retailers, such as Topshop, Skype and Photobox, will also be without the new cover.
If these customers want a refund, the amount they can claim will be limited to what is in the seller’s PayPal account. Anyone who uses PayPal and their credit card together will also forgo their rights to a refund from their card provider should PayPal refuse their claim.
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I sell intangible Items through Paypal.which can only be downloaded not posted..So people after purchase file for charge back saying we have not authorised the payment. Paypal pays the buyer back his money saying to the seller your Item is intangible hence not coverd by Paypal policy!!!
shoabs, london, UK
I sold an item on Ebay and Paypal pressured me to refund the buyer who was apparently unhappy.I did so in good faith and the buyer then told me in an email,"thanks but you won`t get your item back.I will keep your money and your lighter".I never was refunded by Paypal-no pal of mine
terry, southampton, England
I sent a £500 mobile phone out to a buyer on ebay who then claimed the money back through paypal and THEY LET HIM!! I am now without the phone AND paypal's debt collectors are chasing ME for the £500. They have no hope in hell of getting it off me! Absolutely ridiculous!
Matt, Birmingham, UK
Bought 12 items from a UK eBay seller, nothing arrived and all calls ignored. Had payed with my PayPal balance so I opened a dispute before the time limit was up. Seller then sent ONE item from 12 ordered, then sent the proof of delivery to PayPal who closed my dispute leaving me £150 down. Nice. :(
Bob, Glasgow,
I lost £50 on my daughter's birthday present when an Ebay seller in the USA did not send my item. There is a SERIOUS loophole that foreign sellers can use to defraud as there is a 21 day only time limit when you raise a dispute via Paypal. You go past this 21 days - you cannot push forward a claim
Debbie Molony, Chippenham, England
Paypal and ebay sucks. I recently stated that I would not accept e-cheques for my ebay items due to the fact that it takes nearly 3 weeks to receive the payment to my bank. Ebay responded by taking my item off sale. R.I.P Ebay.
stephen Higham, Harwich, Essex
What PayPal doesn't tell you is they can only obtain a refund IF the seller has money in their PayPal account. I lost over $150 because a seller went out of business, and there was only enough money to cover a partial refund. So much for protection! Use your credit card - safer!
Deanna Foster, Menlo Park, CA, US
The hazards of ebay/PayPal are already bad enough, but to add insult to injury, starting from this month, ebay has begun to forbid sellers to announce that they accept payment in the form of cheques or money orders. I definitely would prefer to take my business OUTSIDE ebay/PayPal entirely.
Christopher Witmer, Tokyo, Japan
I bought a Krugerrand on PayPal and I am still waiting
Alfred, Portsmouth, UK
Thank you so much for highlighting just how poor the protection offered by paypal is! I have removed my bank details and now only have 1 low-limit card registered with them.
Of particular concern is that sending a credit card payment to a merchant via paypal would removes the consumer protection which is normally part of a credit card purchase.
Tyke, Sheffield, GB
I 'r' not smart enuff to werk a Paypal account! I also 'r' not TRUSTING enuff, to keep banking/cc info on my computer, much less the internet. Paypal may take flying pursuits at rolling donuts to their heart's delight - I shan't be engaging their services EVER!
Bob M., Bridgewater, USA
Protect yourself from thoroughly reading sellers' feedbacks and comments and only bidding for things which don't seem too good to be true. If you use paypal make sure that your password is secure and make sure you use Internet banking so you can cancel direct debits quickly if there are problems
Tom Swade, Manchester,
anyone who uses Paypal is an idiot I refuse to use it
peter c, Devizes, Wessex
My girlfriend had £600 removed from her account by paypal for something she never purchased. After much effort on her part they returned the money, but they had taken the amount out in Euros, and returned it in the same - the exchange rate had changed losing her £40, which they have still not paid.
Wil Treasure, Nottingham,
I have never used either eBay or PayPal, having read many less than savoury reports about both. The number of complaints is far too great to be doing business through them. Even one complaint tells a story and serves to warn. I'd rather just stick an advert in the local paper to sell my junk.
Mike Mitchell, Spalding, England
I have been using paypal for 5 years and have never had any problems whatsoever!
The same goes for Ebay too.
Just use your common sense, dont buy/send money to anyone selling something too good to be true.
Check sellers feedback properly as well!
Paul , chichester ,
Ebay and pay-pal are fine for small purchases like books, dvds and casual clothes from brands you know anyway, if simple rules are followed. NEVER bid more than a third of what you know would be the RRP and reckon that one in ten purchases will be disappointing.
William, Cheltenham.
William Mortimer Moore, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
I don't use the computer for any transactions at all.I have no sympathy for people who get ripped off on the internet.
ron, topsham,
Having had paypal double a transaction (by following their advice) of about 1000 pounds and I completly failed to get anywhere with paypal in terms of getting my money back.
Will I get my money under this new arrangement.
Mike, London, UK
Sign up to PayPal at your peril!
Giving PayPal your bank details is deadly.
I know.
I suffered.
Reuben Camara, Morecambe, UK