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Within a couple of hours of the shootings in Kaujahoki, several videos posted by the YouTube user Wumpscut86 had been taken down by the site.
The videos showed a man shooting a pistol on what looked like a firing range.
The videos did not appear to contravene the site’s rules covering offensive content which state that: “Graphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone getting hurt, attacked, or humiliated, don’t post it. There is zero tolerance for predatory behaviour, stalking, threats, harassment.”
But those searching for the videos found a message stating: “This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.”
It seems that YouTube has decided that videos showing the killer were offensive and should not be viewed. But that is a moral decision, based presumably on the hindsight that this man and this pistol were involved in real killings.
And this the crux of the problem for YouTube and its owners Google who have set themselves up not as moral arbiters of the web and its content, but as agents through whom “creativity” can flow.
So why the moral stance here? YouTube told Times Online it was preparing a response but the company faces a massive problem as it wrestles with its responsibilities.
As the world’s must successful video-sharing website, it contains many millions of short clips of film. As estimated 13 hours of video is uploaded every minute into the site.
The company refuses actively to police its content and relies instead on users to flag up videos that might contravene its community guidelines. An unknown number of YouTube staff then review the flagged items and then decide whether to remove them.
The flag system is under the microscope at the moment. The problem of delays in removing offensive clips was raised by MPs earlier this year and the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee have called on YouTube to do more to seek out actively inappropriate material.
The scale of the policing problem facing YouTube was exemplified as dozens of new versions of the videos were uploaded by users to the site almost as fast as staff could take them down. This included one clip of the shooter firing at the camera, which was not originally on YouTube and clearly violates its guidelines. The original clips were also easily viewable on several other video websites which could be found using a simple Google search.
A YouTube spokeswoman said the new context of the shooting made the original videos posted by Saari unacceptable.
She said: "Our heart goes out to the families who have lost loved ones in this tragedy. The original videos did not contravene our community guidelines until today's incident, which put them in a new context. They were removed and the account was disabled as soon as we became aware that the user in question may be connected to this incident.
"Let's remember that hundreds of thousands of videos are uploaded to YouTube every day, the vast majority of which contain great content that entertains, inspires, or educates our users. As stated in our Community Guidelines, we have a zero tolerance policy for threats and incitement to violence."
The spokeswoman said that no vetting system was perfect and that YouTube had concluded that its flagging system was most efficient at dealing with offensive content.
Many would like YouTube and Google to put away its philosophical objections to censorship and simply spend the money to give the site more upfront regulation. It is not as if Google does not have the cash.
It should be said that such regulation would almost certainly not have prevented Maati Saari from posting his videos on YouTube. But by taking them down YouTube has acknowledged that taste and decency must have a role to play in vetting content. And that they are the arbiters of that. Will they do it proactively?
And while they are about it – will they take down a video showing last year's Finnish school killer Pekka-Eric Auvinen testing his gun? It’s been watched more than 9,000 times.
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The only way YouTube could reliably "police" content would be to employ tens of thousands of people to watch everything that comes in. At that point they would also open themselves to legal liability for any failure. It's not a realistic option.
Dirk Bruere, Bedford, England
youtube is cool
brandon, columbus, usa
I am critical of YouTube.
Vincent, Columbus, United States
i like youtube
Cory, Cincinatti,
YouTube isn't the kind of website that would maliciously post malicious material; they did the right thing by taking it off when they did, and no one should criticize the widely respected website.
Caleb Ditchfield, Columbus, GA, USA
Holding YouTube responsible for the deaths in Finland is like holding state highway sign makers responsible for speeding motorists. YouTube seems to have followed through with their corporate stance on violence by removing the video when they discovered the link to the Finnish deaths.
Patrick, Midland, USA
Darren Ward:
You would also shut down Blip, Flickr, Google Video, imeem, Myspace, Photobucket, Twango, Vuze, Yahoo Video... and many others, I presume?
The internet cannot be properly "policed". But it is not the internet's fault, nor YouTube's, that ten people died in Kauhajoki yesterday.
Oliver, Hyvinkää, Finland
I cant understand this police work: they knew about the YT video posted at 19th and have the guy interviewed yestaerday (22) and given the incident of Jokela almost year ago, they still didn't pick up the obvious signs of anger, and they let him have the .22 Walther.
Imu Lippo, Helsinki, Finland
So Youtube forced this kid to kill? If Youtube didn't exist this sad event would never have happened? Correct me if I'm wrong but it was because of youtube that this kid was brought to the attention of the police BEFORE the murders took place and the police decided to let him go.
Erik D., Cape Cod, Mass., USA
The simple answer is to shut YouTube down. Like it or not, the Internet needs to be regulated and that day is probably moving ever closer.
Darren Ward, Manchester, UK
Well either The Times thinks that people should see this video or not. From this article I get the impression that The Times or at least Mike Harvey thinks not, yet on the main story the video is at the top of the page ready to be clicked and played. So which is it?
I won't watch it out of respect.
Matt , Nottingham, England