Richard Woods meets Dr Tanya Byron
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Shortly before she published a report last week on keeping children safe in the online age, Dr Tanya Byron was invited to lunch with Gordon Brown at Chequers. It was a family affair: Byron, her husband Bruce, who plays DC Terry Perkins in The Bill, and their two children, Lily, 12, and Jack, 10, all went along.
Lunch at the prime minister’s country estate is the sort of occasion when any parent would want their little ones to be bright, presentable and on their best behaviour. But not even Byron, a child psychologist who has advised millions on parenting through her television series, is immune from modest rebellion.
“My son piped up just before we were going and he said, ‘Mummy, I could take my PlayStation and I could really make you scared in front of the prime minister’.”
He could. The prospect of son Jack smuggling in some dodgy game and whipping out his portable PlayStation to blast away in front of the prime minister had Byron “feeling slightly twitchy”. That’s not surprising given that she was about to advise Brown on how to protect young children from unsuitable computer material. But in typical calm style she simply said: “No, darling. You don’t play those games, so let’s not go there.”
A tall, curvaceous woman with wide eyes and a warm smile, Byron must be as annoying as hell to all those postfeministas who say you can’t have it all. She is clever, articulate, attractive and a natural performer, as well as being a mother and government adviser.
Although most people know her from television programmes such as Little Angels and The House of Tiny Tearaways, she is no pop-psycho with more beauty than brains. She did her first degree at York, a masters at University College London and a doctorate at University College hospital and Surrey University.
For 18 years she worked in the National Health Service, rising to be a consultant for children with severe mental disorders. She still works one day a week as a consultant in child mental health, although most of her time is taken up filming with the BBC.
Glamour, fame, acclaim – yet Byron, 41, also retains the common sense of an ordinary mum: making her the perfect candidate for a report into children growing up in a world where the risks, as well as benefits, of the internet and computer games are all-pervasive.
“When I came to doing the report . . . concerns were very much fuelled by a lack of understanding of the technology. People were asking, is it all big, bad and scary out there? I know a lot more than I did six months ago. It’s made me feel more positive and confident and less anxious.”
Of course she recognises the dangers – from paedophiles to porn, violence and cyberbullying. In her report, which arrived with much ministerial fanfare last week, she carefully examines the scientific evidence about how children are affected by nasty computer games or hardcore porn. Research, she concludes, shows mixed results.
Although, for example, there is a correlation between aggression and playing violent computer games, it’s not clear that there is a causal relationship – that violent games make children more violent. Convenient, since any kind of ban would be a political minefield. In person, though, she is more forthright. “I’m really clear that adult content is harmful and inappropriate for young children particularly,” she says. “They do not have the neural networks in place to be able to critically evaluate the content, to differentiate fantasy from reality.”
Byron would like the law on such matters to be clearer and to be applied with more vigour: “I am saying clarify the law . . . be clear about when there is content on websites that is breaking the law.”
She also encourages parents to challenge the classification of computer games if they think they are inappropriate: “It’s important to have a system where there can be a challenge, where people can complain.”
A less astute person might have let such conclusions suck them into recommending censorship of violent games or websites. Byron knows that won’t work: “If you go down the censorship route, the content would still be there somewhere. Children would go online to websites outside the UK, to unmoderated sites.” And parents, already struggling to keep up, might have even less idea what their youngsters are doing.
“The rapid pace at which new media are evolving has left adults and children stranded either side of a generational digital divide,” she says. Older people may still regard the internet as a parallel universe that somehow arrives through a machine at the office or home, but for youngsters it’s a seamless part of their lives. They are the cyborg generation.
The answer, Byron believes, is to trust in the better side of human nature. Families can navigate the risks provided they are informed and sensible. “I’m more of a ‘half-full’ girl than a ‘half-empty’ girl. That’s how I like to live life,” she explains.
Her report, which runs to more than 200 pages, is packed with recommendations some of which the government has promised to adopt. Key measures include a UK council on child internet safety to develop voluntary codes of practice for the industry and better information for the public; teaching adults about “parental control” systems on computers; a new classification of computer games like those used for films; and courses in schools to teach children “e-safety”.
It’s hard to argue against any of it (although whether the portly public sector needs yet another quango is debatable). Byron, using common sense, already regulates her children’s use of computers: “They don’t have a computer in their own rooms. We have got some in the office and one downstairs in the kitchen. Gaming and going online is good . . . but in a way that is right for their age and stage of development. It’s something you do after your homework. It never takes place instead of a family meal. When my son is gaming and I’m cooking, he’s there and I know what he’s doing.”
Her daughter, two years older, is given more leeway and Byron admits that she does not know exactly what her daughter does online: “We have a good relationship and I respect her privacy. In the same way I don’t know entirely what’s in her diary. But I know my child; I know when something has upset them or when they are distressed.”
They talk, they work it out, just as they would some other problem.
That, in a nutshell, is how Byron believes parents should approach bringing up children in the digital age. You can buy software to block websites, you can spy on children’s internet history, you can restrict access when they are young – but in the end children are going to go out into the big wide world and need to be able to look after themselves.
“We live in a risk-averse culture, but risk is a developmental imperative of childhood and I think we need to recognise that. It’s about fostering the independent child. What I want to get across is that [dealing with the online world] is similar to how we would parent children in the offline world.”
That old world has its own temptations, for adults as well as children. It’s clear that Byron enjoys the cameras and corridors of power: “I really like advising politicians. I really liked saying to the PM this morning, ‘The UK child internet safety council, you set it up, we could take a global lead, what do you reckon?’ And he says, ‘Okay’.”
Is she going to be on the internet safety council? “Oh no,” she laughs. “I’m outta here. It’s all about kids for me. I’d much rather work on behalf of children.” So she doesn’t want to be a politician? She gives that big disarming smile again: “Do you know, I really like advising them . . .”
She has already become too much of a politician to say no.
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kinda agree with bob there.
can trust a proven psychologist who at least looks into psychological debates about her own field such as in the programme 'am i normal' and is prepared to question the textbook system-very brave and necessary-but trust the government???? hmmm?
Heath, islington, england
"A cinema-style system of classification for video games" ?
The BBFC already do this, for both games and computer game magazines:
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/recent/index.php?media=games
Andy, Reading,
Even in so-called 'good' families, it is clear that the hours allowed by parents to be spent by their children every day on the internet or gaming, seriously undermines social skills which are a vital aspect of upbringing. It is obvious that violence viewed will influence violent actions, in hardening the viewers' miinds, hearts, and senstivities to violence. The hardened mind becomes insensitive, and this is undoubtedly undesirable for the civilian population. Armed forces have to become hardened, in order to fight wars; civilians need to be civilised. Violence is not civilised. We need more models of civilised, sensitive behaviour. Models of good behaviour can easily be provided by the game makers. Shame on parents who do not observe good behaviour themselves, and then allow their children to be exposed to a daily diet of bad behaviour, whether it be violence, or criminality, or disloyaty,
or dishonour, or any form of anti social behaviour.
E Fielding, Cambridge,
I've got a lot of time for this lady. She has helped numerous people with domestic problems that could drive people crazy. She deserves a lot of credit for this.
Insofar as advising politicians, well, whether it comes from her, or from anyone else, you will always run the risk that the politician will do something for their own ends. That being the case, I'd much rather the advice at least START from someone who is genuinely trying to help.
I say well done to her, and best of luck with it.
Roberto Maietta, London,
Labour's policy on treatment of sex offenders and their ability to control migration means that there are lots of unknown poeple in this country who can get access to children via the Internet and mobile phones. How much was this woman paid by Labour?
steve tea, manchester, cheshire
"She is clever, articulate, attractive and a natural performer, as well as being a mother and government adviser."
Aren't these a lot of reasons not to trust her?
judy, Liverpool, England
Why do some parents believe in parenting by proxy. They demand government led banning of video games, even though these games are clearly marked with ratings.
This is a very dangerous path as eventually we will turn to the government to decide what is suitable for us. As a teacher (and a gamer), that if parents do not start taking responsibilities for their childrenâs upbringing and their actions then we will willingly invite strong government led censorship where the state is responsible for our childrenâs upbringing. Game developers are dedicated to ensuring suitable content. It is true that not all games are rated using the BBFC system, but the others all use the voluntary ESRB (more detailed than BBFC system).
I often lament at what has happened to good old fashioned parenting. Dr Byronâs report details only a small piece of a much larger problem which is how modern parents actually parent.
Tom, Glasgow, UK
The biggest danger of initiatives like this one is that the well meaning report, written by an expert ends up in the hands of politicians with plenty of hidden agendas.
Soon, what is bad for kids ends up being banned from adults (just in case!), there have been plenty of examples of a good idea being tortured by the hands of government committees.
Both my kids have a PC in their rooms with no nanny software - and they still haven't been kidnapped by peado serial killers. And they won't because we still do talking.
The problem for this government id that treating kids with respect and allowing them to learn about the world in their own time prevents them from brainwashed by propaganda
bob jones, wales,